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  1. 14 points
    Best thread of 2018. Priceless
  2. 10 points
    The 10 bucks debate has been done a few times over the years. Issue is that some just want to pay to keep the site alive, others think they bought a 50% share and start asking for removal of benchmarks, start to interfere with moderation/competition setups,... I need to dig up the thread where you can donate freely to Fred's paypal addy to reduce costs... At the moment the BOT is a ship with major problems and the 3-4 man crew is trying to keep first the boat afloat. Secondly steer it away from the incoming iceberg and last but not least in the mean time still find energy to save some out of the water... Everybody knows what the issues are, biggest problem is how to resolve all these in a short period as possible. Fixing is one thing, though the algorithm and co have become so complex as Strunkenbold explained, it looks more like fix one thing break two... Frederik is trying to get most stuff sorted after his daily job is done and keep this in mind we are all volunteers, doing this in our free time and totally for free... Thx to Michael for helping me out once in a while...
  3. 7 points
    Fascinating... I can count on one hand the number of TEAMS here that bench for & fight for their TEAM, most other members here at Bot bench solely for them-SELF points/rankings and to hell with their team. Prove me wrong... And that is just fine for them. So Out of pure curiosity; What is the sudden interest in TEAM points/rankings. Hmmmmm. It has been mostly catering to crying individual benchers here anyway again nothing wrong with that, if thats their thing so be it. However why go after TEAMS points/rankings? Some individuals here can not compete on a one to one basis on the higher levels so they focus on and contribute to their TEAM the only way they can. And you want to again... Kill the concept of TEAM as it has been attempted before in the past. If the TEAM PP have been the same way all these years and no one had a complaint about it before why change it? I do understand if the BenchMark was completely removed from Bott.
  4. 6 points
    It's been this way forever. Leave it alone. Not happy with your team's standings?, act as a team. You bench everything. GL/HW points or not. You want to pick and choose only high points benches, you leave some team points on the table. Seems fair to me. You don't punish active benching. You promote it.
  5. 5 points
    The whole story is that people where in charge who thought they could establish overclocking as another esport mass phenomenon. This sadly failed. Technically and financially. Energy wasn't spend on the website. And so one problem after another appeared over the time and didn't got fixed. Everyone working close to the website was seeing this. But unfortunately those are in no position to decide anything. So the penny dropped long ago...
  6. 5 points
    You change it when you are not happy with your team standings and there's no other way out. This is a witchhunt. You tell me which team is going to take the biggest hit if those points are removed. I already know the answer. So do you.
  7. 5 points
    Leave TPP alone all this no points these days for a new person they might get what 0.2 points for a lower score but they also get a couple of Team Power Points which gives them some enthusiasm to continue at least they are getting something. When I first started I thought I will give this a go and was using Socket A which I had 2 solid state drives in Raid 0 it was just the way I had it setup and a Gainward 7800GS and was getting points and Gold Cups for PCM04 and 05 and I was hooked for SPI, wprime and such I sucked and was getting 0.1 points or thereabouts. If it hadnt of been for the points I was getting for 04/05 and the TPP I probably would of just walked away. You are supposed to be making it attractive for new members to join and have fun not just the people that are experienced and have the latest and greatest binned hardware. Giving no points weather it be user points or TPP doesnt make it look very good for new members. Not many worry about Team points anyway so why change it.
  8. 5 points
    You wanna see the real team standings, remove TPP from all inactive users after say, 2 years of inactivity.
  9. 5 points
    let me try my best ok? Random stuff I think he will start charging hwbot or us with a fee of $5k usd for his scores. Other random stuff about 8pack/der8auer that personally I am not aware about but sounds juicy (send info plox). Claiming WRs that dont get points? (omegalul) Whines about satisfaction of mod(s) banning his scores. Did I get it right? If yes, 10% of that 5k pls for my translation services. Thanks
  10. 5 points
    Is Ney back moderating? And maybe we're pissing on your hard work because you're a douchebag. Maybe.
  11. 4 points
    who wants to try run coffelake on the M8i you can try the following flash bios: --> Bios 3801 (Mod Coffeelake Microcode) Nb : Flash bios using CH314a flasher do not try flashing through bios_flashback overalls work well (without any problems) : - IGP working - PCIEX x16 - Overclocking : Ratio Core, Cache and memory (all running normally) For 4core usage (eg: 8350K) do not need mod pin cpu. For 6core usage (eg 8600K and 8700K) need to do cpu mod pin (like cpu mod in MOCF) Here's the submission validation CPU-Z : use 8350K --> http://valid.x86.fr/hmpnfm use 8600K --> https://valid.x86.fr/aa73ih for other submissions can be viewed on my profile : HexaOC Powered By : Hexatekno.com
  12. 4 points
    Grabbing some more popcorn, loving the confusion, the arrogance and evil thriving within :p Must be lonely at the top...
  13. 4 points
    What happens if we react with HaHa, do you quit OC?
  14. 4 points
    I personal thanks the boss to answer so fast. They ask me to prove one more how I achieve these GPU scores and will be unblocked. They promise never to told anyone except the moderators about my tweak. But isn't der8auer one of them? What about Vince (hahaha) becoming director artistic at HWBOT? What should I do? I don't know, I don't know, need your help, I should trust them or not?!!! You can vote here by reacting to this; 1. React... SAD for YES, release the tweak as they will never used. 2. React THANKS for NO... don't trust der8auer or anyone ever. Thanks for your support.
  15. 3 points
    Yeesh people need to chill. Also as a side note, if benches no longer have normal points for a reason (buggy/cheated etc), makes sense for them to not have team points either, but if the points have been removed simply to 'balance' the main rankings (not too 2d/3d heavy etc) then I don't see a problem. I still blame Massman for pointing the ship in a certain direction then leaving it
  16. 3 points
    I wish I received 5k for beating him but I can tell you I would do it for just 5
  17. 3 points
    I found and fixed a major issue in the code that decides whether the submission is the best global submission for that user or not. Seems that fixed your submission, ksateaaa23.
  18. 3 points
    Two totally different scenarios. 1) You don't open the case, so you couldn't possibly know what core you have. You are going by what's written on the case. 2) You open the case and physically see a different core, but still use what's written on the case, knowing it's that it's being 'less than forthcoming' with the truth. Speaking frankly now, to all of you: The Old School comp is mostly attended by the same people every single time. We are a very small elite group if you will. We all basically know each other or at least know who each other is and their quality of character. Please don't escalate this any further. It's not necessary. I would hate to not have this comp over something stupid.
  19. 3 points
  20. 2 points
    , IF, this change comes in it wont matter. we'll still get you and beat you, as small as we are ,😎
  21. 2 points
    It's already a very thin line between a perfect tweaked score and a cheated score. Maybe that's just my opinion but allowing points for bugged benchmark's will add complexity to a level we can't handle anymore. The whole bot and benchmarking in general is based off trust. And if the whole system can't be trusted anymore, it's over. By now it's already problematic but in the end the users decide. I just want to warn going this way.
  22. 2 points
  23. 2 points
    http://hwbot.org/submission/3866577_m1rror_pifast_celeron_g440_43sec_670ms/ - 2rd place thanks to all!
  24. 2 points
    Another thing I've found about pifast (Stelaras has confirmed it too) is that if you use a really really chopped up windows xp, you actually make it worse. A 150MB Win XP installation is perfect, no less though.
  25. 2 points
    @richba5tard Could please add that...
  26. 2 points
    Well no kidding, that's what he said; Anyway... I'm sure you can understand why seeing "HWBot Staff & Forums Administrator" next to der8auer's name would make slinky think otherwise. Hey, leave DJ out of this. Honestly, I've never had any reason to doubt leeg's honour. Besides, AFAIK Der8auer and KP don't have anything to do with hwbot moderation anyway. What part was unclear when I privately asked you "please don't troll that slinky thread, you're not helping"?
  27. 2 points
    I asked you not to share because "your tweaks" are not real tweaks, they bug the output Yosarianlives. A tweak is a setting you change, a new or old driver/benchmark version, run on affinity on different cores to get better scores, running another benchmark first and then run the other one, those are tweaks.... e.g. unplugging stuff so you get a 10% boost is not a tweak, that's a bug in the benchmark that you can trick... But opinions can differ, however in this case there are several heavily debated Cat subs from Slinky in the past and now the present... So one of the remaining mod(s) requires a clarification. Again no need to replicate this score lol, intrigued to see where the boost exactly comes from... ow and Der8auer and co left the ivory building years ago...
  28. 2 points
    Mr. Scott is right that this CPU is not a "970T" - it is "Thuban" based ("Zosma") without the "T" and that should be how it is named. We confuse this because the rest of that 4 core "Zosma" lineup also had a "T". The "T" however does not mean "T" for "Thuban", this is a misunderstanding. The "T" is for Turbo. "Thuban" had the first implementation of AMD Turbo Core which is why that was appended to the end of the model names. The "Zosma" 970 Black Edition does not feature Turbo Core, hence the absence of the "T". Regardless of the fact that it matches the clockspeed of the "Deneb" 970 Black Edition, L3 cache latency / IMC performance is different (~1866 MHz DDR3 limit of "Deneb"/"Propus"/"Regor" removed, and a minor IPC loss due to L3 cache configuration) and still differentiates it enough that it deserves its own page. Well, "Thuban" does have something to do with the CPU existing, but not in the way that the "T" stands for "Thuban" Just some fun facts.... "Zosma" is always the "Thuban" die. "Heka" is always "Deneb". "Propus" is actually its own die, with no L3, or the HyperTransport PHYs that "Deneb" / "Shanghai" include, though some "Propus" CPUs are "Deneb" inside. "Regor" is also its own die, though some "Regor" CPUs are "Propus" / "Deneb" inside. "Sargas" is always "Regor" inside. Some "Propus" chips are "Deneb" with disabled L3, however, this is easily differentiated physically by the 5-letter stepping code on the IHS : AACYC / CACAC / CACDC / CACYC AC ... **C** = Deneb, AADIC / AADHC / CADIC / CADHC / NADHC / NADIC ... **D** = Propus. Regardless of what die the supposed "Propus" CPU is in reality, CPUID and stepping (BL-C2 / BL-C3) will identify as "Propus", though performance is the same and they always share the same errata as their "Deneb" counterparts (RB-C2 / RB-C3). "Regor" is the same way, some "Regor" (DA-C2 / DA-C3) are actually 2-core dies physically while others are full "Propus" or full "Deneb" physically. Again, the actual "Regor" die shares the same errata and performance as "Propus" and "Deneb". CACAC / CACEC ... etc. = Deneb, NADIC ... etc. = Propus, NAEGC / NAEKC = Regor TL;DR Basically, 3rd letter of 5 letter stepping code = C, the die is Deneb. D = Propus, E = Regor. This goes for the whole 45nm Athlon II / Phenom II lineup regardless of SKU. Well, the "T" is still wrong. This chip doesn't have Turbo Core. You guys should fix it, and it can keep its own page. The CPU-Z identification is incorrect, as shown in the actual specification line: "AMD Phenom II X4 970 Processor" https://valid.x86.fr/show_oc.php?id=1913942 I studied AMD a bit much in 2008-2012. The last era where AMD didn't give a **** about wafer mask costs because their yields at 45nm were actually half decent. Cheers, Sam
  29. 2 points
    Make them signed NDA for the tweak LOL
  30. 2 points
    owkay this escalated quickly... as mentioned "the tweak" must be shared with the mods ( me or Strunkenbold) so we can replicate. Now if the tweak is what Splave suggests, that is bugging the benchmark and the output is not real. OC can be a simple thing, just clock up and bench,... why so much tweaking or bugging or whatever thing some guys pull off to justify a valid score....
  31. 2 points
    I thought most people usually just ragequit when asked to prove their tweaks?
  32. 2 points
    Its pretty obvious to me what Slinky is doing to get such a high score. you just have to run a big copywaza, then run GPUPI 32B and as soon as it finishes launch Catzilla.
  33. 2 points
  34. 2 points
    not even looking, not a the moment anyway, however if no explenation where the boost comes from, no more points for Cat scores... Is that plain understandable english?
  35. 2 points
    No score was deleted (unless it had missing CPU-Z or other standard verification issues). The ones with the wrong background were only removed from the compo. As stated in my post, there was an error for Div V with the PRO OC background linked. Thus all scores for this DIV (V only) will be accepted even if the submission had the wrong background (our bad) So locate your score and just click participate in the challengers. Clear now ?
  36. 2 points
    http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboard/x11sae_f/ http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboard/ms_b9061/ http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboard/h370_aorus_gaming_3_wifi/ http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboard/tb250_btc_pro/
  37. 2 points
    I wasn't speaking only to you. Sometimes it's better to just walk away. I sleep good at night also. Knowledge is power.
  38. 2 points
    There is no Orion die, there is a Pluto which is identical to the previous one. Orion is purely a marketing name for models 900-1000 MHz, so Pluto=Orion, so => there is no difference in silicon.
  39. 2 points
    So you mean you don't want us to test if our antivirus software actually works, get rich in a 100 % secure Bitcoin casino, buy Viagra for the very best price and meet with all the ladies that are desperate to get to know us? How dare you, sour looser? 🖕
  40. 2 points
    I clearly made my point here in this thread. All old-timers know what i was talking about (no need to hide behind our finger). I have nothing more to add. I stand strong behind everything i wrote till now. Some people are fair all the way ... some are not. Sad but true ... honesty is something , you cant buy.
  41. 2 points
  42. 2 points
    Ran the 2500k tonight again, 4-5Ghz times....
  43. 1 point
    With respect: I have to say there are at least a few teams with alot of "Dead Wood" within their members list, and I mean some that's comprised of about 10, 15 or so active, all the rest not doing squat except to earn a badge to display on their home forum for making the claim they're "On the team". As for teams themselves related to points earned: There is absolutely NOTHING stopping anyone here from benching any and everything they could get their hands on and no one can say otherwise with any truth to it. You do what you gotta do to succeed short of cheating and dirty tricks, doesn't make any sense to punish those doing just that in the right way. It's almost like "If you can't beat 'em, report 'em".... With a new twist from what I'm seeing here. OK, it's also fact that many want the big points/scores.... Hey, that's OK and if that's how you want to go at it with a focus on that, it's all good - It's even nice to get them when you can. However screwing over others that do it in a different way than you is actual discrimination based on benching style - Not everyone is able to afford going after it that way, yet at the same time there is talk about growing the sport. I suppose there is a brand-new crop of Rookies, never having benched anything complete with full dewars of LN2 just waiting to go..... NOT. I see a trainwreck coming up with this..... Happens everytime something gets changed as we all know too well already. Leave well enough alone and just bench.
  44. 1 point
    Is there anything you suck at? Slaying PSC and 980Ti in the same weekend?? Awesome!
  45. 1 point
    Just for fun! Everyone talking about computex brings back memories.
  46. 1 point
    It has always been this way. If you want to experiment with extreme cooling you can still submit as long as you disable points. Without points you are not competing in a ranking so league doesn't matter.
  47. 1 point
    Does that mean i have to crack my Athlon 800 open because there is the chance that it has a orion core and I cheated without knowing??? I feel like these old platforms aren't useable for competitions on the bot, because there allways is drama...
  48. 1 point
    If you're in it for the competition and fun, ignore the points. They don't mean anything. Don't play for the rating, play because you like to.
  49. 1 point
    Selling a bunch of older hardware, Z97, DDR3, GPU's, everything must go. All prices are shipping within the USA. International buyers are welcome, but are responsible for all shipping costs. All cards were modded by mllrkllr88 I will run 3DMark Vantage at stock clocks prior to shipping every card. Minty ASRock Z97 board: $150 4770K CPU: $200 Corsair Samsung DDR3: $220 Corsair Hyper DDR3, 5 working sticks of 6: $100 MSI GTX 260 Lightning: $100 MSI GTX 260, modded: $50 3x GTX 580 Classifieds: $65 each 2x GTX 580 Ultra's delidded: $60 each as is 3xGTX 9800/9800+ 2 are modded: $50 each 1x GTX 280 modded: $60 4x 8800 GTX 512's, 3 with Samsung, 1 with Quimonda. 2 of the Samsung are modded. 7800 GT modded: $30 7950 GT: $25 7900 GT: $25
  50. 1 point
    Count me in I actually have the Wife excited about this too. She is more excited about the shopping options than the party though MaddMutt hwbot.org/user/MaddMutt/ Overclockers.com